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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Patrick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Who are your real customers – is operators in Africa? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Meoli<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Patrick Christian [mailto:pchristian@telegeography.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Kende<br><b>Cc:</b> Meoli Kashorda; Michuki Mwangi; Mark Tinka; Nishal Goburdhan; afpif@afpif.org; Kennedy Aseda; Karen Rose<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Afpif] Transit vs. peering Focust for Africa by 2021<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for the delayed response, I just spoke with my colleague. He was considering adding questions regarding local traffic to our current IP backbone survey, but decided not to because the bulk of our route data comes from big IP backbone providers and adding questions on origin of traffic or trying to define local with Level 3, Cogent, etc would be too burdensome for the survey and would affect response rate (we do not use network analysis tools to get data, just surveys). However, we put the idea back on the table to add the question to surveys for our broadband ISP contacts that take part in the survey. I think we would have a better chance of getting data from them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So to sum up, we do think it is feasible to collect this data from part of our research contacts that take part in the survey. It wasn't part of our current survey, but we are considering adding the question(s) for our next survey... Another question we have is whether our customers are even interested in this type of data (I am, but not sure if they are... have to look into that, too)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regarding IP transit prices, we have been tracking prices from mostly the primary hubs. Best data from Joburg, Lagos, Ghana, Nairobi, Djibouti City and more sporadic data from secondary hubs like Dar Es Salaam, Dakar, Abidjan... We are just starting to get intra-African pricing, but not very easy to get data consistently so far :(<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please let me know if you have any other questions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Best, Patrick<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 12, 2015, at 1:26 AM, Michael Kende wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Patrick,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>No worries on my end – this is what I had understood that it is not possible with the current data – if you could look into it that would be great. As for IP transit prices, is it for all countries, most, or just the largest?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please do let us know what your colleague has to say.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks very much,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Patrick Christian <<a href="mailto:pchristian@telegeography.com">pchristian@telegeography.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday 12 August 2015 03:11<br><b>To: </b>Michael Kende <<a href="mailto:kende@isoc.org">kende@isoc.org</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Meoli Kashorda <<a href="mailto:mkashorda@kenet.or.ke">mkashorda@kenet.or.ke</a>>, Michuki Mwangi <<a href="mailto:mwangi@isoc.org">mwangi@isoc.org</a>>, Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>>, Nishal Goburdhan <<a href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>>, "<a href="mailto:afpif@afpif.org">afpif@afpif.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:afpif@afpif.org">afpif@afpif.org</a>>, Kennedy Aseda <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>>, Karen Rose <<a href="mailto:rose@isoc.org">rose@isoc.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Afpif] Transit vs. peering Focust for Africa by 2021<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear Meoli and Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I hope I haven't misled you. The data we collect from IP backbone providers does not contain the origin/destination of traffic. They provide us with the capacity and public IP traffic rate (link utilization) data of their international links. With our current data set and survey instrument I don't think what you ask, Michael, would be feasible; however, my colleague was looking into this question a couple of months ago. I'd like to speak with him and then get back to you. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>And Meoli, regarding pricing, we track transport and IP transit prices but primarily Africa to Europe, we do not have much intra-Africa pricing data unfortunately.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Last, we will be releasing the latest edition of our Global Internet Geography (Internet backbone networks report) in the next week or so. If interested, I can send you a summary of findings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:44 AM, Michael Kende wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hello, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This is a very interesting discussion, and I also believe both that this data is not available, and that it would be very valuable. Patrick, as you seem to have international traffic between countries in the region and to other regions, what would be needed to get local traffic by country, and do you think it is feasible? I for one would love to have more information on your current research that you could share.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>MIchael<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-color:initial;border-right-color:initial;z-index:auto'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Meoli Kashorda <<a href="mailto:mkashorda@kenet.or.ke">mkashorda@kenet.or.ke</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday 11 August 2015 08:10<br><b>To: </b>Patrick Christian <<a href="mailto:pchristian@telegeography.com">pchristian@telegeography.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Michuki Mwangi <<a href="mailto:mwangi@isoc.org">mwangi@isoc.org</a>>, Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>>, Nishal Goburdhan <<a href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>>, "<a href="mailto:afpif@afpif.org">afpif@afpif.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:afpif@afpif.org">afpif@afpif.org</a>>, Kennedy Aseda <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>>, Michael Kende <<a href="mailto:kende@isoc.org">kende@isoc.org</a>>, Karen Rose <<a href="mailto:rose@isoc.org">rose@isoc.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Afpif] Transit vs. peering Focust for Africa by 2021<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear Patrick,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>As you have seen in our discussions, our interest is country you country local traffic compared to global traffic mainly through Europe. We see very low traffic between African countries - traffic follows content! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I would still be interested in country by country international traffic data and maybe IP transit costs in Africa. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>By the way, peering is NOT free for us in Africa - we have to pay for expensive national leased lines to peering nodes! Sometimes that can be more expensive than peering in Europe! So the picture is complex - is content that is driving our decisions or cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> We do need local Internet traffic research studies. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Meoli<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:39 AM, Patrick Christian <<a href="mailto:pchristian@telegeography.com">pchristian@telegeography.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Maybe someone has already done a country by country study?<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>It could be that Telegeography may have some data around this. Patrick ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Michuki,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Our research is done on a country by country and regional basis but unfortunately not at the granularity that you may be looking for--% of traffic served locally. We focus on international/cross-border capacity and traffic based on network data collected from ISPs/carriers in our annual surveys. We see growth of local traffic in Africa through the increase of intra-regional capacity/traffic (within Africa as a whole) compared to inter-regional growth (Africa to Europe). I've just given away the gist of my presentation for the conference :) I'm happy to share more details on our research if it helps or interests you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Michuki Mwangi wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>[Adding Patrick Christian from Telegeography, Michael Kende and Karen Rose]<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Aug 10, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Meoli Kashorda <<a href="mailto:mkashorda@kenet.or.ke">mkashorda@kenet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks for your very detailed responses. This is excellent preparation for AFPIF 2015.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On the 60% local content, I am the one who misread the note from Michuki (have not read the actual report). It suggests we shall achieve 60% not 80% by 2021.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I have no data to challenge their forecast. But I do have some anecdotal data on Kenya - global CDNs are saving Kenyan operators about 50% of international circuits capacity! And that Google and Akamai caches are serving about 35-40% of traffic from Kenya. So we have probably achieved 40% local traffic?<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Maybe someone has already done a country by country study?<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>It could be that Telegeography may have some data around this. Patrick ?<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We at KENET would appreciate a research grant to conduct EA study - anybody generous?<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>This is interesting and good to know for a number of reasons. It has not been clear if we could find a organization in the region that is interested in engaging in this type of research work.<br><br>IMHO we are lacking on tools and data sources in our region that can be used to progressively monitor the development. The first phase of this work is to ensure that we have the data sources, tools and systems - access to the data in a sustainable long term manner is just as important as the commissioning the studies.<br><br>There is work underway coordinated by various organizations to try and implement the tools in the region but this needs more collaboration from network operators in hosting tools. For instance giving away Atlas probes is a start, having them deployed on the network and keeping them on it far more difficult that it should be :(<br><br>I would definitely like to hear what Michael and Karen Rose thoughts are on such a study and not limiting it to EA but the entire region if possible.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I wonder why most of us are so quiet - maybe we already have anecdotal data on each country represented in this mailing list? And Michuki could compile it for AFPIF 2015 in two weeks?<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>If the data is available, we can definitely work on having it put together for AfPIF-2015.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Michuki.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>