[Afpif] Transit vs. peering Focust for Africa by 2021

Tue Aug 11 08:44:25 UTC 2015

Hello,
This is a very interesting discussion, and I also believe both that this data is not available, and that it would be very valuable.  Patrick, as you seem to have international traffic between countries in the region and to other regions, what would be needed to get local traffic by country, and do you think it is feasible?  I for one would love to have more information on your current research that you could share.
Thanks
MIchael

From: Meoli Kashorda <mkashorda at kenet.or.ke<mailto:mkashorda at kenet.or.ke>>
Date: Tuesday 11 August 2015 08:10
To: Patrick Christian <pchristian at telegeography.com<mailto:pchristian at telegeography.com>>
Cc: Michuki Mwangi <mwangi at isoc.org<mailto:mwangi at isoc.org>>, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu<mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>>, Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za<mailto:nishal at controlfreak.co.za>>, "afpif at afpif.org<mailto:afpif at afpif.org>" <afpif at afpif.org<mailto:afpif at afpif.org>>, Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at kenet.or.ke<mailto:kaseda at kenet.or.ke>>, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>>, Karen Rose <rose at isoc.org<mailto:rose at isoc.org>>
Subject: Re: [Afpif] Transit vs. peering Focust for Africa by 2021

Dear Patrick,

As you have seen in our discussions, our interest is country you country local traffic compared to global traffic mainly through Europe. We see very low traffic between African countries - traffic follows content!

I would still be interested in country by country international traffic data and maybe IP transit costs in Africa.

By the way, peering is NOT free for us in Africa -  we have to pay for expensive national leased lines to peering nodes! Sometimes that can be more expensive than  peering in Europe!  So the picture is complex - is content that is driving our decisions or cost?

 We do need local Internet traffic research studies.

Meoli

On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:39 AM, Patrick Christian <pchristian at telegeography.com<mailto:pchristian at telegeography.com>> wrote:

Maybe someone has already done a country by country study?

It could be that Telegeography may have some data around this. Patrick ?

Hi Michuki,

Our research is done on a country by country and regional basis but unfortunately not at the granularity that you may be looking for--% of traffic served locally. We focus on international/cross-border capacity and traffic based on network data collected from ISPs/carriers in our annual surveys. We see growth of local traffic in Africa through the increase of intra-regional capacity/traffic (within Africa as a whole) compared to inter-regional growth (Africa to Europe). I've just given away the gist of my presentation for the conference :)  I'm happy to share more details on our research if it helps or interests you.

Best,
Patrick

On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Michuki Mwangi wrote:

[Adding Patrick Christian from Telegeography, Michael Kende and Karen Rose]

On Aug 10, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Meoli Kashorda <mkashorda at kenet.or.ke<mailto:mkashorda at kenet.or.ke>> wrote:

Dear Mark,

Thanks for your very detailed responses. This is excellent preparation for AFPIF 2015.

On the 60% local content, I am the one who misread the note from Michuki (have not read the actual report). It suggests we shall achieve 60% not 80% by 2021.

I have no data to challenge their forecast. But I do have some anecdotal data on Kenya -  global CDNs are saving Kenyan operators about 50% of international circuits capacity! And that Google and Akamai caches are serving about 35-40% of traffic from Kenya. So we have probably achieved 40% local traffic?

Maybe someone has already done a country by country study?

It could be that Telegeography may have some data around this. Patrick ?

We at KENET would appreciate a research grant to conduct EA study - anybody generous?

This is interesting and good to know for a number of reasons. It has not been clear if we could find a organization in the region that is interested in engaging in this type of research work.

IMHO we are lacking on tools and data sources in our region that can be used to progressively monitor the development. The first phase of this work is to ensure that we have the data sources, tools and systems - access to the data in a sustainable long term manner is just as important as the commissioning the studies.

There is work underway coordinated by various organizations to try and implement the tools in the region but this needs more collaboration from network operators in hosting tools. For instance giving away Atlas probes is a start, having them deployed on the network and keeping them on it far more difficult that it should be :(

I would definitely like to hear what Michael and Karen Rose thoughts are on such a study and not limiting it to EA but the entire region if possible.

I wonder why most of us are so quiet - maybe we already have anecdotal data on each country represented in this mailing list? And Michuki could compile it for AFPIF 2015 in two weeks?

If the data is available, we can definitely work on having it put together for AfPIF-2015.

Regards,

Michuki.

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